[CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question

Mon Apr 18 09:51:35 CDT 2011

I'm on vacation in Seattle but am following this thread when I get to the
computer. Plans for next year's CBW workshop seem to be evolving through
this discussion, and I agree with Bill that the structure proposed by Liz
has many advantages. I also support many of the points Kathleen made in her
post about the advantages of sticking with the full-day format for the CBW
workshop.

I'll stay tuned to see how the planning evolves from here.

Rebecca

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:29 AM, Lalicker, William <WLalicker at wcupa.edu>wrote:

> Liz, I like this structure very much. We have a broad theory+history
> framework from Bruce Horner, then the excellent practices of ALP from Peter
> Adams, and then our open-call invitation to new voices in BW. I think this
> will be a very stimulating and productive workshop.
>
> The one detail that came up in the EB meeting is that several individuals
> thought we had, possibly, too many voices, without enough time for
> reflection and discussion, in the open-call conference section, so we may
> want to adjust the length of the talks and the q+a in that last segment.
> Once we've got that settled, we can go to the whole list.
>
> Happy Monday...
>
> Bill
>
> ~~~~~
>
> William B. Lalicker, Ph.D.
> Professor of English (Main Hall, Room 534, 610.436.2268)
> Dean's Assistant for Student Issues (Anderson Hall, Room 119C,
> 610.436.3521)
> College of Arts and Sciences
> West Chester University
> West Chester, PA 19383
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cbw_exec-bounces at tamu-commerce.edu [mailto:
> cbw_exec-bounces at tamu-commerce.edu] On Behalf Of J. Elizabeth Clark
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:49 AM
> To: Gregory.Glau at nau.edu; cbw_exec at tamu-commerce.edu
> Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
> I am so excited by all of this conversation & these ideas! I think we
> are all still basking in the glow of the energy from CCCC.
>
>
> I know that we had very definite ideas about the pre-conference session
> at the EB meeting. What if we shift that to put all of this together:
>
>
> The theme of the conference is "gateways"
>
>
> What if we focused our preconference session on Basic Writing as an
> essential gateway to college:
>
>
> 1. Bruce Horner, who Hannah and I invited to speak, would like to join
> us if the timing works out. So:
>
>
> 1. Welcome
> 2. Opening Remarks on the year (updates, what we've done, maybe mission
> statement, etc.)
> 3. Bruce Horner, framing issues in Basic Writing
> 4. Extended ALP panel (2 hours? 3 hours?) feature ALP as one
> contemporary iteration of Basic Writing that provides a gateway.
> LUNCH BREAK
> 5. Open panels by our open call (2 hours)
> 6. Smaller working group session (1 hour or so on
> CBW/Mission/Charter/etc.)
>
>
> That gives us 3 featured speaker slots: Bruce, ALP, and the open call
> panelists plus some working time.
>
>
> It's different from what we were planning. What do you think?
>
>
> I don't want to take away from either ALP or CBW.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
> J. Elizabeth Clark, Ph.D.
> Professor of English
> LaGuardia Community College--CUNY
> e-mail:  lclark at lagcc.cuny.edu
> Phone:  718.482.5665
> www.jelizabethclark.com
> >>> Gregory R Glau  04/17/11 7:52 PM >>>
> Hi, all,
>
> I may have missed some of this conversation--that time of the
> semester--but I tend to agree with Kathleen and others who've noted
> that, somehow, a half-day workshop does not seem as "important" as a
> full-day workshop, and I think that's true from the Cs' perspective as
> well as those attending the workshop.
>
> I also wonder if CBW did a half-day and Peter's group did a half day, if
> they might end up competing with one another, as none of us has control
> over morning or afternoon scheduling?
>
> I also wonder if Peter's workshop could somehow be folded-into the CBW
> workshop, as a special feature for the all-day workshop?
>
> thanks,
>
>
> gg
>
> ------------------------------------
> Greg Glau
> Associate Professor and Director, University Writing Program
> Northern Arizona University
> PO Box 6032
> Flagstaff, AZ 86001-6032
> ________________________________________
> From: cbw_exec-bounces at tamu-commerce.edu
> [cbw_exec-bounces at tamu-commerce.edu] on behalf of Adams, Peter D.
> [padams2 at ccbcmd.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:56 PM
> To: Conference of Basic Writing Executive Board
> Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
>
> So here's how this idea got started.  The folks here and at several
> other schools offering ALP wanted to propose a pre-conference workshop
> on ALP.  I wrote the co-chairs of CBW to ask whether having a second
> one-day workshop on bw would be seen as a sign of the health of bw at
> CCCC or might it, in fact, threaten that health by having two workshops
> competing for the same attendees.
>
> I offered that if competing for the same attendees seemed like a bad
> idea, we could postpone our workshop for a year.  Liz suggested that two
> half-day workshops might be the best compromise, but thought we should
> ask the EB.  So we are.
>
>
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
> Department of English
> Essex Campus
> Community College of Baltimore County
> 7201 Rossville Blvd
> Baltimore, MD 21237
> 443*710*1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cbw_exec-bounces at tamu-commerce.edu on behalf of kbaca at nmsu.edu
> Sent: Sun 4/17/2011 2:06 PM
> To: Conference of Basic Writing Executive Board
> Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
>
> Thank you for the discussion on this issue. I would hate to see CBW go
> to a half
> day. This full- day preconference is the ONE chance that many folks
> involved in
> BW get to participate in the scholarship of our field. If we try to get
> it all
> in three hours, we just don't have the impact that a full day makes
> possible.
> The workshop sets up the conference for the 20-50 people who are able to
> attend.
>
> I also think that cutting it to a half day lessens the impact of the
> Sense of
> the House Motion. If we don't believe that BW warrants a full day, why
> should it
> be considered for featured sessions or its own strand?
>
> Think of how many ideas we suggested for the precon. We basically had to
> narrow
> it to only two, and then choose from those. If we cut that time in half,
> we are
> necessitating the removal of half the content. And part of the draw is
> the
> workshop format, which is possible in part because of the length of time
> we have.
>
> ALP is a proven program, it will continue to have positive effects where
> it is
> implemented, and it should be one of the ideas supported by CBW. I think
> it was
> even part of the precon a couple of years ago. I just don't think we
> should
> halve what we offer for it or any other program, no matter how
> promising.
>
> While I see alternative points, I suggest that we continue with the
> planned
> full-day preconference. kb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Bernstein
> Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:45 am
> Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
> To: Conference of Basic Writing Executive Board
>
> > ALP definitely should have its own workshop. It is an important
> > innovationthat deserves its own time slot and audience, and that
> > fully complements the
> > work of CBW.
> >
> > However, a full-day CBW workshop would have a different goal than the
> > separate halves of an ALP or a CBW workshop. CBW helps to create  new
> > scholarship in the field -- and to foster a discussion on new
> > scholarshipfor people just beginning and/or overworked and under-
> > resourced in the
> > field. In other words, CBW's full-day workshop serves
> > teacher/scholars who
> > otherwise would not have access to new scholarship or to the
> > resources for
> > creating new scholarship.
> >
> > But I also believe the $40 full-day workshop price keeps lots of
> > folks away.
> > Prompted by Barbara Gleason, we tried to initiate a conversation
> > with CCCC
> > about changing the price when Kathleen and I were chairs, but to no
> > avail.
> > SO: I would support a full day for CBW, but would agree to a 1/2
> > day if
> > that's the general consensus-- with one caveat. If we decide on a
> > half day
> > for St. Louis in 2012, we need to revisit doing a full-day again
> > for Vegas
> > in 2013.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Susan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Kelly Ritter
> > wrote:
> > > I think this is a great idea, as it would also allow some in-out
> > flow> regarding the BW crowd (some will do AM, some PM, for the
> > ALP, some both)
> > > and would open up participation for BW folks in other afternoon
> > sessions,> like RNF or another workshop, if they were familiar with
> > or not currently
> > > interested in ALP.
> > >
> > > Kelly
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Shannon Carter <
> > > Shannon_Carter at tamu-commerce.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ashley, Hannah [mailto:HAshley at wcupa.edu ]
> > >> Sent: Sun 4/17/2011 10:22 AM
> > >> To: cbw_exec-bounces at tamu-commerce.edu
> > >> Subject: FW: Wednesday workshop question
> > >>
> > >> So, Exec Board--
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> What do you think about the idea of doing a half-day Wednesday
> > workshop>> from CBW in the morning, and requesting that it not
> > compete with ALP which
> > >> could do a workshop in the afternoon?  Not that they'd be
> > proposed as part
> > >> of same workshop, but but explicitly asking they not conflict and
> > >> acknowleding similar draws?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Feedback?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hannah
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.
> > >> Associate Professor of English, Composition & Rhetoric
> > >> Director, Writing Zones 12.5  (
> > >> www.writingzones.net)
> > >> 543 Main Hall, West Chester University
> > >> West Chester, PA 19383
> > >> 610-436-2371
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "For years I pulled my own existence out of emptiness. Then one
> > swoop, one
> > >> swing of the arm, that work is over."  Rumi
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: Adams, Peter D. [padams2 at ccbcmd.edu]
> > >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:01 PM
> > >> To: Ashley, Hannah
> > >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> If that's okay with you two, it would be great for us.  I do
> > think it
> > >> would be good to run it past the EB.
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
> > >> Department of English
> > >> Essex Campus
> > >> Community College of Baltimore County
> > >> 7201 Rossville Blvd
> > >> Baltimore, MD 21237
> > >> 443.710.1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ashley, Hannah [mailto:HAshley at wcupa.edu ]
> > >> Sent: Fri 4/15/2011 11:54 AM
> > >> To: Adams, Peter D.; J. Elizabeth Clark
> > >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> > >>
> > >> Yes, perhaps we should propose a half day each, if folks think a
> > good>> idea. Send to EB?
> > >>
> > >> Hannah
> > >>
> > >> Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.
> > >> Director, Writing Zones 12.5 (www.writingzones.net)
> > >> Service Learning Faculty Associate, WCU
> > >> Associate Professor of Composition and Rhetoric
> > >> Main Hall 543
> > >> Department of English, West Chester University
> > >> Spring 2001 Office Hours: M, 2-4, W 2-3, F 11-12
> > >>
> > >> I was part of a generation of kids who saw something special
> > about what it
> > >> means to be human--something bloody and dramatic and scandalous
> > that>> happened right here in America--and hip-hop was our way of
> > reporting that
> > >> story, telling it to ourselves and to the world...the story of
> > the hustler
> > >> was the story hip-hop was born to tell...hustling is the
> > ultimate metaphor
> > >> for the basic human struggles: the struggle to survive and
> > resist...to win
> > >> and make sense of it all.  --from Jay-Z, Decoded (2010)
> > >>
> > >> From: Adams, Peter D. [mailto:padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
> > ]>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:05 AM
> > >> To: Ashley, Hannah; J. Elizabeth Clark
> > >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Liz makes an interesting suggestion.  If we each did a half day
> > workshop,>> we would be offering to basic writing workshops without
> > competing for
> > >> audience.  A different way to compromise would be for us simply
> > to postpone
> > >> our idea a year, which we'd certainly be willing to do.  Or, we
> > could take
> > >> the risk of offering both and letting those proverbial "chips"
> > fall.>>
> > >> Would you like to see what the EB says about the question?
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
> > >> Department of English
> > >> Essex Campus
> > >> Community College of Baltimore County
> > >> 7201 Rossville Blvd
> > >> Baltimore, MD 21237
> > >> 443*710*1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Ashley, Hannah [mailto:HAshley at wcupa.edu ]
> > >> Sent: Fri 4/15/2011 9:00 AM
> > >> To: J. Elizabeth Clark; Adams, Peter D.
> > >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> > >>
> > >> I agree, Peter, that if you feel like there is enough energy to
> > do a
> > >> workshop just devoted to ALP--do it and let the chips fall where
> > they may.
> > >>
> > >> Hannah
> > >>
> > >> Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.
> > >> Associate Professor of English, Composition & Rhetoric
> > >> Director, Writing Zones 12.5  (www.writingzones.net)
> > >> 543 Main Hall, West Chester University
> > >> West Chester, PA 19383
> > >> 610-436-2371
> > >>
> > >> "For years I pulled my own existence out of emptiness. Then one
> > swoop, one
> > >> swing of the arm, that work is over."  Rumi
> > >> ________________________________________
> > >> From: J. Elizabeth Clark [lclark at lagcc.cuny.edu]
> > >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 AM
> > >> To: padams2 at ccbcmd.edu; Ashley, Hannah
> > >> Subject: Re: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> > >>
> > >> Hi Peter,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hope you're well.  I think it's definitely important for you to
> > have an
> > >> audience for ALP at CCCC. Is there someway we might join forces?
> > For>> example, if you did an ALP workshop from 9-12 and then joined
> > us from
> > >> 1-4? Or, would that make your day too short? Just brainstorming
> > here.>>
> > >>
> > >> Liz
> > >>
> > >> J. Elizabeth Clark, Ph.D.
> > >> Professor of English
> > >> LaGuardia Community College--CUNY
> > >> e-mail:  lclark at lagcc.cuny.edu
> > >> Phone:  718.482.5665
> > >> www.jelizabethclark.com
> > >> >>> "Adams, Peter D."  04/15/11 12:25 AM >>>
> > >> Hannah and Liz,
> > >>
> > >> As you know, at CCBC we have developed an accelerated approach
> > to basic
> > >> writing we call ALP, which has met with considerable success in
> > >> improving students' success rates.  More than twenty schools
> > across the
> > >> nation are now piloting some sections of ALP and many more are
> > >> interested.
> > >>
> > >> My colleagues and I have been thinking about proposing a pre-
> > conference>> workshop at CCCC on starting up ALP but we are worried
> > about the effect
> > >> that might have on the CBW workshop.  On the one hand, it might
> > be a
> > >> sign of the healthiness of basic writing if there were two
> > workshops,>> both on basic writing.  In the other hand, we might
> > end up splitting the
> > >> audience and ending up with 15 or 20 at each session.
> > >>
> > >> So I thought I'd ask what you think.  Would you view our
> > offering such a
> > >> workshop as a sign of the health of the field or as a
> > competition that
> > >> is unhealthy for both of us?
> > >>
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >> Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
> > >> Department of English
> > >> Essex Campus
> > >> Community College of Baltimore County
> > >> 7201 Rossville Blvd
> > >> Baltimore, MD 21237
> > >> 443*710*1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
> > >>
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