[CBW_Exec] Basic Writing Outcomes?

[shannon carter]

Oh! Sorry, folks. Thanks, Kelly!

EB: I've cc-ed the board on this. Perhaps future communication would be
more easily negotiated there first then moved to the list?

--S

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Kelly Ritter <karitter at uncg.edu> wrote:

> I believe these messages are going to the whole CBW-L and not just the
> exec board, Shannon. OK?
>
> Kelly
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Alan Meyers <meyersalan at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem with an outcomes statement is similar to the one NCTE/WPA has
>> had over several decades: one that is broad enough to take in the full
>> range of approaches, yet specific enough to mean something. Certainly drill
>> and skill is not part of the rubric, but, obviously, there is much to
>> include in a statement that takes the field in a direction we would like to
>> see it go. This is a fairly large task that might take quite a long time,
>> but I think it's worth getting started on--indeed, we might devote much or
>> all of an entire workshop on BEGINNING it. The "final" statement would yet
>> be a work in progress, revised periodically.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ashley, Hannah <HAshley at WCUPA.EDU>
>> To: CBW-L <CBW-L at LISTS.UMN.EDU>
>> Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:07 am
>> Subject: Re: Basic Writing Outcomes?
>>
>> I certainly think this falls under Institutionalization--**documents
>> that provide the backbone to the work.
>>
>> Isn't it amazing that the field is so wide still: I know I must sound
>> like an ingénue, but how can it be that at one institution there are
>> exclusive drill and skill demands and at the another autoethnography?  This
>> conflict means something, which we need to continue to take up, IMHO.
>>
>> See you so soon-
>>
>> Hannah
>>  Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.
>> Associate Professor of English, Composition & Rhetoric
>> Composition Director
>> Service Learning Faculty Associate
>> Director, Writing Zones 12.5  (www.writingzones.net)
>> 543 Main Hall, West Chester University
>> West Chester, PA 19383
>> 845-337-5000
>>  If you can find a way to get somebody interested enough to learn,
>> they'll do it themselves...[we need more places that fashion themselves] to
>> help those young people dive so deep into their dreams that they become
>> their realities   --George Clinton, in Foreward to Hip Hop Genius: Remixing
>> High School Education
>>
>>
>> From: Conference on Basic Writing [CBW-L at LISTS.UMN.EDU] on behalf of
>> Shannon Carter [Shannon_Carter at TAMU-COMMERCE.**EDU<Shannon_Carter at TAMU-COMMERCE.EDU>
>> ]
>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:45 AM
>> To: CBW-L at LISTS.UMN.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Basic Writing Outcomes?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear CBW Exec Board:
>>
>>
>> Might I add one more item to the agenda of one of the upcoming BW venues
>> for exploration of this important issue: a possible outcomes statement for
>> basic writing. Please see Michael's query, which he gave me permission to
>> share.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Michael! Thanks everyone!
>>
>>
>> --Shannon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2012, at 9:16 AM, "McCamley, Michael" &
>> lt;mccamley at english.udel.edu&**gt; wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Shannon--
>>
>>
>> Of course you may share this with the EB. Sounds like a fascinating
>> conversation!
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2012, at 1:24 AM, "Shannon Carter" &lt;Shannon_Carter at tamu-**
>> commerce.edu <lt%3BShannon_Carter at tamu-commerce.edu>&gt; wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Michael--
>>
>> I absolutely remember you. What fun! I also really sympathize with your
>> situation, and I really wish I knew of something like this to which I could
>> direct you. That's exactly what CBW should be doing next. We only just
>> formulated a mission statement, but this sounds like a good next goal.
>>
>> May I share your query with the CBW Executive Board? They'll be meeting
>> together next week and can place this on the agenda for exploration. It
>> sounds like an important activity for this organization.
>>
>> Thanks, Michael.
>>
>> --Shannon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: McCamley, Michael [mailto:mccamley at english.udel.**edu<mccamley at english.udel.edu>
>> ]
>> Sent: Fri 3/16/2012 9:16 AM
>> To: Shannon Carter
>> Subject: Basic Writing Outcomes?
>>
>> Hi Shannon--
>>
>> I don¹t know if you remember me from the most recent Cs, but we had a fun
>> dinner with Kelly Ritter on the last night. I could use some help, and
>> Kelly
>> thought you¹d be just the person. I¹ll try avoid the long version of the
>> story, but I¹m dealing with a situation involving a basic writing course.
>> I
>> am the Acting Director of the Writing Program while Melissa Ianetta is on
>> sabbatical. Melissa did away with our basic writing course after an
>> assessment revealed that we didn¹t need one. Instead, we have a
>> low-enrollment first-year writing course that has the same outcomes as any
>> other first-year writing section.
>>
>> However, we have a Summer Enrichment Program on campus that still offers
>> our
>> otherwise defunct basic writing course. As best I can figure out, this
>> course has no outcomes and has never been assessed by the SEP. I¹m going
>> to
>> be receiving the syllabus for the basic writing course soon, and I¹m
>> expecting to see a big mess.
>>
>> I was wondering, then, if there are any recommended outcomes for basic
>> writing courses, if there are such things apart from the WPA Outcomes
>> Statement. I have a feeling that the current incarnation of the basic
>> writing course is grammar instruction and inauthentic writing assignments.
>> All I¹ve heard from the SEP director is that the course is supposed to
>> ³prepare students for the first-year writing course,² and that¹s it. I
>> don¹t
>> really know what that means. Therefore, I¹d like to be able to point to
>> theoretically-sound, research-based recommendations for what¹s supposed to
>> happen in a basic writing course, since I¹m pretty sure that¹s not
>> happening.
>>
>> Any resources you could point me to would be most appreciated. Sadly, I
>> won¹t be going to the Cs this year, otherwise I would buy you a drink as a
>> thank you!
>>
>> Best,
>> Michael McCamley
>> Assistant Professor of English
>> Acting Director of the Writing Program
>> University of Delaware
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Kelly Ritter
> Associate Professor of English
> Director of Composition
> Incoming Editor, *College English *(2012)
> UNC-Greensboro
> karitter at uncg.edu
> (336) 334-4689
>
>
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