Oh! Sorry, folks. Thanks, Kelly! <br><br>EB: I've cc-ed the board on this. Perhaps future communication would be more easily negotiated there first then moved to the list? <br><br>--S<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Kelly Ritter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:karitter@uncg.edu">karitter@uncg.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I believe these messages are going to the whole CBW-L and not just the exec board, Shannon. OK?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>Kelly</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Alan Meyers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:meyersalan@aol.com" target="_blank">meyersalan@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The problem with an outcomes statement is similar to the one NCTE/WPA has had over several decades: one that is broad enough to take in the full range of approaches, yet specific enough to mean something. Certainly drill and skill is not part of the rubric, but, obviously, there is much to include in a statement that takes the field in a direction we would like to see it go. This is a fairly large task that might take quite a long time, but I think it's worth getting started on--indeed, we might devote much or all of an entire workshop on BEGINNING it. The "final" statement would yet be a work in progress, revised periodically.<br>
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Alan<br>
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From: Ashley, Hannah <<a href="mailto:HAshley@WCUPA.EDU" target="_blank">HAshley@WCUPA.EDU</a>><br>
To: CBW-L <<a href="mailto:CBW-L@LISTS.UMN.EDU" target="_blank">CBW-L@LISTS.UMN.EDU</a>><br>
Sent: Mon, Mar 19, 2012 8:07 am<br>
Subject: Re: Basic Writing Outcomes?<br>
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I certainly think this falls under Institutionalization--<u></u>documents that provide the backbone to the work.<br>
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Isn't it amazing that the field is so wide still: I know I must sound like an ingénue, but how can it be that at one institution there are exclusive drill and skill demands and at the another autoethnography? This conflict means something, which we need to continue to take up, IMHO.<br>
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See you so soon-<br>
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Hannah<br>
Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.<br>
Associate Professor of English, Composition & Rhetoric<br>
Composition Director<br>
Service Learning Faculty Associate<br>
Director, Writing Zones 12.5 (<a href="http://www.writingzones.net" target="_blank">www.writingzones.net</a>)<br>
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West Chester, PA 19383<br>
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From: Conference on Basic Writing [<a href="mailto:CBW-L@LISTS.UMN.EDU" target="_blank">CBW-L@LISTS.UMN.EDU</a>] on behalf of Shannon Carter [<a href="mailto:Shannon_Carter@TAMU-COMMERCE.EDU" target="_blank">Shannon_Carter@TAMU-COMMERCE.<u></u>EDU</a>]<br>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 1:45 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:CBW-L@LISTS.UMN.EDU" target="_blank">CBW-L@LISTS.UMN.EDU</a><br>
Subject: Re: Basic Writing Outcomes?<br>
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Dear CBW Exec Board:<br>
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Might I add one more item to the agenda of one of the upcoming BW venues for exploration of this important issue: a possible outcomes statement for basic writing. Please see Michael's query, which he gave me permission to share.<br>
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Thanks, Michael! Thanks everyone!<br>
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--Shannon<br>
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Sent from my iPad<br>
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On Mar 17, 2012, at 9:16 AM, "McCamley, Michael" &<a href="mailto:lt%3Bmccamley@english.udel.edu" target="_blank">lt;mccamley@english.udel.edu</a>&<u></u>gt; wrote:<br>
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Hi Shannon--<br>
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Of course you may share this with the EB. Sounds like a fascinating conversation!<br>
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Best, <br>
Michael<br>
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On Mar 17, 2012, at 1:24 AM, "Shannon Carter" &<a href="mailto:lt%3BShannon_Carter@tamu-commerce.edu" target="_blank">lt;Shannon_Carter@tamu-<u></u>commerce.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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Hi, Michael--<br>
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I absolutely remember you. What fun! I also really sympathize with your situation, and I really wish I knew of something like this to which I could direct you. That's exactly what CBW should be doing next. We only just formulated a mission statement, but this sounds like a good next goal.<br>
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May I share your query with the CBW Executive Board? They'll be meeting together next week and can place this on the agenda for exploration. It sounds like an important activity for this organization.<br>
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Thanks, Michael.<br>
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--Shannon<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: McCamley, Michael [mailto:<a href="mailto:mccamley@english.udel.edu" target="_blank">mccamley@english.udel.<u></u>edu</a>]<br>
Sent: Fri 3/16/2012 9:16 AM<br>
To: Shannon Carter<br>
Subject: Basic Writing Outcomes?<br>
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Hi Shannon--<br>
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I donıt know if you remember me from the most recent Cs, but we had a fun<br>
dinner with Kelly Ritter on the last night. I could use some help, and Kelly<br>
thought youıd be just the person. Iıll try avoid the long version of the<br>
story, but Iım dealing with a situation involving a basic writing course. I<br>
am the Acting Director of the Writing Program while Melissa Ianetta is on<br>
sabbatical. Melissa did away with our basic writing course after an<br>
assessment revealed that we didnıt need one. Instead, we have a<br>
low-enrollment first-year writing course that has the same outcomes as any<br>
other first-year writing section.<br>
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However, we have a Summer Enrichment Program on campus that still offers our<br>
otherwise defunct basic writing course. As best I can figure out, this<br>
course has no outcomes and has never been assessed by the SEP. Iım going to<br>
be receiving the syllabus for the basic writing course soon, and Iım<br>
expecting to see a big mess.<br>
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I was wondering, then, if there are any recommended outcomes for basic<br>
writing courses, if there are such things apart from the WPA Outcomes<br>
Statement. I have a feeling that the current incarnation of the basic<br>
writing course is grammar instruction and inauthentic writing assignments.<br>
All Iıve heard from the SEP director is that the course is supposed to<br>
³prepare students for the first-year writing course,² and thatıs it. I donıt<br>
really know what that means. Therefore, Iıd like to be able to point to<br>
theoretically-sound, research-based recommendations for whatıs supposed to<br>
happen in a basic writing course, since Iım pretty sure thatıs not<br>
happening.<br>
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Any resources you could point me to would be most appreciated. Sadly, I<br>
wonıt be going to the Cs this year, otherwise I would buy you a drink as a<br>
thank you!<br>
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Best,<br>
Michael McCamley<br>
Assistant Professor of English<br>
Acting Director of the Writing Program<br>
University of Delaware<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">-- <br>Dr. Kelly Ritter<br>Associate Professor of English<br>Director of Composition<br>Incoming Editor, <i>College English </i>(2012)<br>
UNC-Greensboro<br><a href="mailto:karitter@uncg.edu" target="_blank">karitter@uncg.edu</a><br>
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