[TACRAO] Listserv TACRAO Digest, Vol 521, Issue 1

Walker, Michelle B mbwalker at tamu.edu
Sun Apr 19 11:36:16 CDT 2015


Hi Cindy,

Texas A&Ms position is similar to what George noted below. The key is high school graduation and attendance during a long semester after graduation. If they start school in the summer in a degree granting major with the intention of pursuing a degree at your institution we would code as FTIC. If they are attending in the summer with the intention of going elsewhere in the fall to pursue a degree, we would code as a summer transient with a student type of 'special' not FTIC.
Students who enroll prior to high school graduation are coded as 'special' as well not as FTIC.

For our purposes, taking classes in the summer after high school graduation does not change a student's admit type from FTIC to Transfer. The student must enroll in a long semester after high school graduation and any semester after that enrollment they would be considered a transfer.

Hope that helps,
Michelle



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>   1.  First time in college (Hess, Ms. Cynthia A.)
>   2. Re:  First time in college (George W. Weir)
>   3.  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Cheryl Mangrum)
>   4. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Scott Branum)
>   5. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Irene Robinson)
>   6. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Hess, Ms. Cynthia A.)
>   7. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Gray, Sheila)
>   8. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Pam Wright)
>   9. Re:  First time in college (Thomas Elder)
>  10. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Munson, Wanda)
>  11. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Rangel, Andrea G)
>  12. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Davis, Tiffany)
>  13. Re:  First time in college (Matthew S. Hebbard)
>  14. Re:  HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent (Garza, Rebecca)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 18:04:48 +0000
> From: "Hess, Ms. Cynthia A." <HESS at tarleton.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
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> Good Friday afternoon,
> 
> First, I apologize for the long question, but I am seeking clarification to the definition of First-time Student (Freshman, FTIC).  I realize the answers appear to be simple; however, I also included the definition from the IPEDS glossary for your reference.
> 
> In regards to first time in college students, please clarify how your institution codes the following:
> 
> *        High school student with college hours applying prior to high school graduation - we code as a FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *        High school with college hours applying prior to high school graduation but also taking hours after high school graduation prior to attending your institution in the fall - we currently process them as FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *        High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and no college hours after high school graduation - FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *        High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and college hours after high school graduation - Currently Transfer
> 
> I found this definition in the IPEDS glossary.  Does anyone have clarification to the text which states, "It also includes students enrolled in the fall term who attended college for the first time in the prior summer term..."  This leads me to believe that any student who takes summer courses prior to attending in the fall would be first-time students.  This is easy for students who attend the same institution in summer and fall; but what about the student who may attend separate institutions right after high school in summer and fall.   It seems the student would be reported as first time from both schools.
> 
> [cid:image003.png at 01D078FD.5443C190]
> 
> The real issue here is we have a student who is currently in high school with 39 hours and wants to attend one of our off-campus locations which requires a student to have 30 hours.  Since his hours are prior to high school graduation, we told him he would need to attend the main campus for FTIC.  The question arose as to whether he could take a summer class and change his fall status to transfer so that he could attend the off-campus location.  Would he then be a FTIC at the summer institution and a FTIC for the fall institution or a FTIC at the summer and a Transfer for the fall?  We have had the same procedure for years but are now questioning it due to this situation.
> 
> I thank you all in advance for helping me through this madness of students taking college credit prior to high school graduation.
> 
> In the spirit of baseball season, I feel like I have just repeated a rendition of "Who's on first."  Have a good weekend.
> 
> Cindy
> 
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> Cindy Hess
> Director of Admissions
> hess at tarleton.edu<mailto:hess at tarleton.edu>  |  www.tarleton.edu<http://www.tarleton.edu/>
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> From: "George W. Weir" <George.Weir at tamuk.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
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> Cindy, the key to the answer (as I have always been told) is "high school graduation".  The student is an FTIC the first long semester after high school graduation that he/she attends an institution of higher education.
> 
> If the student comes in the summer after graduation, then he/she is coded as a FTIC.  However, he/she is still coded as a FTIC in the fall semester because that is the first long semester after HS graduation.
> 
> In today's world with dual enrollment, IB diplomas, etc, we are getting students coded as FTIC with hours that puts them in a classification other than a freshman.  However, for reporting purposes, the student is a FTIC.
> 
> If the student you describe at the end of your e-mail was on my campus (or at my off-campus location), he/she would be coded the same, a FTIC for the summer and the fall, even though, he/she has the hours to be a sophomore.
> 
> I guess whether you allow him to attend an off-campus location would come down to an institutional policy.
> 
> Hope this helps.  Have a good week-end.  George
> 
> George W. Weir
> University Registrar
> Texas A&M University-Kingsville
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Hess, Ms. Cynthia A.
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
> 
> Good Friday afternoon,
> 
> First, I apologize for the long question, but I am seeking clarification to the definition of First-time Student (Freshman, FTIC).  I realize the answers appear to be simple; however, I also included the definition from the IPEDS glossary for your reference.
> 
> In regards to first time in college students, please clarify how your institution codes the following:
> 
> *         High school student with college hours applying prior to high school graduation - we code as a FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school with college hours applying prior to high school graduation but also taking hours after high school graduation prior to attending your institution in the fall - we currently process them as FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and no college hours after high school graduation - FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and college hours after high school graduation - Currently Transfer
> 
> I found this definition in the IPEDS glossary.  Does anyone have clarification to the text which states, "It also includes students enrolled in the fall term who attended college for the first time in the prior summer term..."  This leads me to believe that any student who takes summer courses prior to attending in the fall would be first-time students.  This is easy for students who attend the same institution in summer and fall; but what about the student who may attend separate institutions right after high school in summer and fall.   It seems the student would be reported as first time from both schools.
> 
> [cid:image003.png at 01D078FD.5443C190]
> 
> The real issue here is we have a student who is currently in high school with 39 hours and wants to attend one of our off-campus locations which requires a student to have 30 hours.  Since his hours are prior to high school graduation, we told him he would need to attend the main campus for FTIC.  The question arose as to whether he could take a summer class and change his fall status to transfer so that he could attend the off-campus location.  Would he then be a FTIC at the summer institution and a FTIC for the fall institution or a FTIC at the summer and a Transfer for the fall?  We have had the same procedure for years but are now questioning it due to this situation.
> 
> I thank you all in advance for helping me through this madness of students taking college credit prior to high school graduation.
> 
> In the spirit of baseball season, I feel like I have just repeated a rendition of "Who's on first."  Have a good weekend.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01CE9849.2C7961B0]
> 
> Cindy Hess
> Director of Admissions
> hess at tarleton.edu<mailto:hess at tarleton.edu>  |  www.tarleton.edu<http://www.tarleton.edu/>
> P: (254) 968-9123 |F: (254) 968-9951
> Box T-0030, Stephenville TX 76402
> 
> 
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> From: Cheryl Mangrum <Cmangrum at hputx.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING 'EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum  |  Associate Director of Admission
> Office: 325-649-8027  |  Fax:  325-649-8901  | 1-800-880-4478  |  www.hputx.edu
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> From: Scott Branum <tbranum at gc.edu>
> To: "<tacrao at tamuc.edu>" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> Hi, Cheryl.
> 
> We require the notarized affidavit as a part of the admission process.
> --
> Scott Branum
> Director of Admissions/Registrar
> Galveston College
> 4015 Avenue Q
> Galveston, TX 77550
> 409-944-1216
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> On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Cheryl Mangrum <Cmangrum at hputx.edu<mailto:Cmangrum at hputx.edu>> wrote:
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING ?EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum  |  Associate Director of Admission
> Office: 325-649-8027  |  Fax:  325-649-8901  | 1-800-880-4478  |  www.hputx.edu
> Howard Payne University  |  1000 Fisk  |  Brownwood, TX 76801
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> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 14:13:20 -0500
> From: Irene Robinson <IRobinson at alvincollege.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> We requires as part of the admissions process.
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> Irene Robinson
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> On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:56 PM, Cheryl Mangrum <Cmangrum at hputx.edu<mailto:Cmangrum at hputx.edu>> wrote:
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING ?EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum  |  Associate Director of Admission
> Office: 325-649-8027  |  Fax:  325-649-8901  | 1-800-880-4478  |  www.hputx.edu
> Howard Payne University  |  1000 Fisk  |  Brownwood, TX 76801
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> From: "Hess, Ms. Cynthia A." <HESS at tarleton.edu>
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> We require it as part of the Admissions process.
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Cheryl Mangrum
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:57 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING 'EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum  |  Associate Director of Admission
> Office: 325-649-8027  |  Fax:  325-649-8901  | 1-800-880-4478  |  www.hputx.edu
> Howard Payne University  |  1000 Fisk  |  Brownwood, TX 76801
> 
> Check out this video:  http://www.hputx.edu/becomeamazing
> 
> Complete and Submit our FREE online application: www.hputx.edu/apply<http://www.hputx.edu/apply>
> Schedule a campus visit: www.hputx.edu/visit<http://www.hputx.edu/visit>
> 
> [HPU Logo]
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> "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."  I Corinthians 15:58
> 
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Cheryl Mangrum
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:57 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING 'EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum  |  Associate Director of Admission
> Office: 325-649-8027  |  Fax:  325-649-8901  | 1-800-880-4478  |  www.hputx.edu
> Howard Payne University  |  1000 Fisk  |  Brownwood, TX 76801
> 
> Check out this video:  http://www.hputx.edu/becomeamazing
> 
> Complete and Submit our FREE online application: www.hputx.edu/apply<http://www.hputx.edu/apply>
> Schedule a campus visit: www.hputx.edu/visit<http://www.hputx.edu/visit>
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> [HPU Logo]
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Cheryl Mangrum
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:57 PM
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> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING 'EM!
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> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 21:01:47 +0000
> From: Thomas Elder <teld at tjc.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
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> I agree with George.
> 
> As a general rule, FTIC only occurs after completion of high school. This even applies to students that graduate with an associated degree from an early college high school.
> 
> IPEDS only tracks FTIC for a fall cohort. It does not matter much with IPEDS who or how they are counted the summer after high school graduation.
> 
> 
> Tom Elder
> Director, Academic Services/Registrar
> Tyler Junior College
> PO Box 9020
> 903-510-3038
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of George W. Weir
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:19 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
> 
> Cindy, the key to the answer (as I have always been told) is "high school graduation".  The student is an FTIC the first long semester after high school graduation that he/she attends an institution of higher education.
> 
> If the student comes in the summer after graduation, then he/she is coded as a FTIC.  However, he/she is still coded as a FTIC in the fall semester because that is the first long semester after HS graduation.
> 
> In today's world with dual enrollment, IB diplomas, etc, we are getting students coded as FTIC with hours that puts them in a classification other than a freshman.  However, for reporting purposes, the student is a FTIC.
> 
> If the student you describe at the end of your e-mail was on my campus (or at my off-campus location), he/she would be coded the same, a FTIC for the summer and the fall, even though, he/she has the hours to be a sophomore.
> 
> I guess whether you allow him to attend an off-campus location would come down to an institutional policy.
> 
> Hope this helps.  Have a good week-end.  George
> 
> George W. Weir
> University Registrar
> Texas A&M University-Kingsville
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu<mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu> [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Hess, Ms. Cynthia A.
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu<mailto:tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
> 
> Good Friday afternoon,
> 
> First, I apologize for the long question, but I am seeking clarification to the definition of First-time Student (Freshman, FTIC).  I realize the answers appear to be simple; however, I also included the definition from the IPEDS glossary for your reference.
> 
> In regards to first time in college students, please clarify how your institution codes the following:
> 
> *         High school student with college hours applying prior to high school graduation - we code as a FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school with college hours applying prior to high school graduation but also taking hours after high school graduation prior to attending your institution in the fall - we currently process them as FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and no college hours after high school graduation - FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and college hours after high school graduation - Currently Transfer
> 
> I found this definition in the IPEDS glossary.  Does anyone have clarification to the text which states, "It also includes students enrolled in the fall term who attended college for the first time in the prior summer term..."  This leads me to believe that any student who takes summer courses prior to attending in the fall would be first-time students.  This is easy for students who attend the same institution in summer and fall; but what about the student who may attend separate institutions right after high school in summer and fall.   It seems the student would be reported as first time from both schools.
> 
> [cid:image003.png at 01D078FD.5443C190]
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> The real issue here is we have a student who is currently in high school with 39 hours and wants to attend one of our off-campus locations which requires a student to have 30 hours.  Since his hours are prior to high school graduation, we told him he would need to attend the main campus for FTIC.  The question arose as to whether he could take a summer class and change his fall status to transfer so that he could attend the off-campus location.  Would he then be a FTIC at the summer institution and a FTIC for the fall institution or a FTIC at the summer and a Transfer for the fall?  We have had the same procedure for years but are now questioning it due to this situation.
> 
> I thank you all in advance for helping me through this madness of students taking college credit prior to high school graduation.
> 
> In the spirit of baseball season, I feel like I have just repeated a rendition of "Who's on first."  Have a good weekend.
> 
> Cindy
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:18:20 -0500
> From: "Munson, Wanda" <Wanda.Munson at sjcd.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> Admissions.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Cheryl Mangrum <Cmangrum at hputx.edu<mailto:Cmangrum at hputx.edu>> wrote:
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING ?EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 23:22:51 +0000
> From: "Rangel, Andrea G" <arangel at southplainscollege.edu>
> To: "<tacrao at tamuc.edu>" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> At SPC it is part of admission.
> 
> Andrea
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> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:57 PM, "Cheryl Mangrum" <Cmangrum at hputx.edu<mailto:Cmangrum at hputx.edu>> wrote:
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING ?EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum  |  Associate Director of Admission
> Office: 325-649-8027  |  Fax:  325-649-8901  | 1-800-880-4478  |  www.hputx.edu
> Howard Payne University  |  1000 Fisk  |  Brownwood, TX 76801
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 02:07:29 +0000
> From: "Davis, Tiffany" <tndavis at mail.wtamu.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> West Texas A&M requires this as part of admissions.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tiffany Davis
> Associate Director
> Office of Admissions
> West Texas A&M University
> PO Box 60907
> Canyon TX 79016
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Cheryl Mangrum
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:57 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
> 
> STING 'EM!
> 
> Blessings and Best Wishes,
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum
> 
> Cheryl Mangrum  |  Associate Director of Admission
> Office: 325-649-8027  |  Fax:  325-649-8901  | 1-800-880-4478  |  www.hputx.edu
> Howard Payne University  |  1000 Fisk  |  Brownwood, TX 76801
> 
> Check out this video:  http://www.hputx.edu/becomeamazing
> 
> Complete and Submit our FREE online application: www.hputx.edu/apply<http://www.hputx.edu/apply>
> Schedule a campus visit: www.hputx.edu/visit<http://www.hputx.edu/visit>
> 
> [HPU Logo]
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> "Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord."  I Corinthians 15:58
> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 13:54:40 +0000
> From: "Matthew S. Hebbard" <mshebbar at southtexascollege.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
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> This is my understanding as well.   We tag the student as an FTIC based on data of HS graduation.  I actually contacted the EDC at the CB last week on how we report these on the CBM001.  Ideally students are FTIC the first semester they attend post HS graduation whether it is the Summer or Fall.
> 
> The CB is way ahead of IPEDS and will pick up all FTICs no matter if they begin in the summer or fall.  We have a number of students that complete degrees in the summer from ECHS's and they are tagged as FTICs then and picked up by the CB for state reporting purposes.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew S. Hebbard
> Dean of Enrollment Services and Registrar
> South Texas College
> 956.872.2147
> 
> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Elder
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 4:02 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
> 
> I agree with George.
> 
> As a general rule, FTIC only occurs after completion of high school. This even applies to students that graduate with an associated degree from an early college high school.
> 
> IPEDS only tracks FTIC for a fall cohort. It does not matter much with IPEDS who or how they are counted the summer after high school graduation.
> 
> 
> Tom Elder
> Director, Academic Services/Registrar
> Tyler Junior College
> PO Box 9020
> 903-510-3038
> teld at tjc.edu<mailto:teld at tjc.edu>
> 
> [cid:image002.png at 01CEE529.01BF30D0]
> 
> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu<mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu> [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of George W. Weir
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:19 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu<mailto:tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
> 
> Cindy, the key to the answer (as I have always been told) is "high school graduation".  The student is an FTIC the first long semester after high school graduation that he/she attends an institution of higher education.
> 
> If the student comes in the summer after graduation, then he/she is coded as a FTIC.  However, he/she is still coded as a FTIC in the fall semester because that is the first long semester after HS graduation.
> 
> In today's world with dual enrollment, IB diplomas, etc, we are getting students coded as FTIC with hours that puts them in a classification other than a freshman.  However, for reporting purposes, the student is a FTIC.
> 
> If the student you describe at the end of your e-mail was on my campus (or at my off-campus location), he/she would be coded the same, a FTIC for the summer and the fall, even though, he/she has the hours to be a sophomore.
> 
> I guess whether you allow him to attend an off-campus location would come down to an institutional policy.
> 
> Hope this helps.  Have a good week-end.  George
> 
> George W. Weir
> University Registrar
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu<mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu> [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Hess, Ms. Cynthia A.
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:05 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu<mailto:tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv First time in college
> 
> Good Friday afternoon,
> 
> First, I apologize for the long question, but I am seeking clarification to the definition of First-time Student (Freshman, FTIC).  I realize the answers appear to be simple; however, I also included the definition from the IPEDS glossary for your reference.
> 
> In regards to first time in college students, please clarify how your institution codes the following:
> 
> *         High school student with college hours applying prior to high school graduation - we code as a FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school with college hours applying prior to high school graduation but also taking hours after high school graduation prior to attending your institution in the fall - we currently process them as FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and no college hours after high school graduation - FTIC, Freshman
> 
> *         High school graduate with college hours prior to high school graduation and college hours after high school graduation - Currently Transfer
> 
> I found this definition in the IPEDS glossary.  Does anyone have clarification to the text which states, "It also includes students enrolled in the fall term who attended college for the first time in the prior summer term..."  This leads me to believe that any student who takes summer courses prior to attending in the fall would be first-time students.  This is easy for students who attend the same institution in summer and fall; but what about the student who may attend separate institutions right after high school in summer and fall.   It seems the student would be reported as first time from both schools.
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> The real issue here is we have a student who is currently in high school with 39 hours and wants to attend one of our off-campus locations which requires a student to have 30 hours.  Since his hours are prior to high school graduation, we told him he would need to attend the main campus for FTIC.  The question arose as to whether he could take a summer class and change his fall status to transfer so that he could attend the off-campus location.  Would he then be a FTIC at the summer institution and a FTIC for the fall institution or a FTIC at the summer and a Transfer for the fall?  We have had the same procedure for years but are now questioning it due to this situation.
> 
> I thank you all in advance for helping me through this madness of students taking college credit prior to high school graduation.
> 
> In the spirit of baseball season, I feel like I have just repeated a rendition of "Who's on first."  Have a good weekend.
> 
> Cindy
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> Cindy Hess
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> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:15:10 +0000
> From: "Garza, Rebecca" <RGarza at dcccd.edu>
> To: "tacrao at tamuc.edu" <tacrao at tamuc.edu>
> Subject: Re: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
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> At El Centro College of the DCCCD it is a part of the Admissions process.
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> Rebecca "Becky" Garza
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> From: tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu [mailto:tacrao-bounces at tamuc.edu] On Behalf Of Cheryl Mangrum
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:57 PM
> To: tacrao at tamuc.edu
> Subject: [TACRAO] Listserv HB 1403 and Affidavit of Intent
> 
> We are having a discussion about the Affidavit of Intent for undocumented students that qualify for admission under HB 1403.  Does your Office of Admission require the completed and notarized Affidavit as part of the admission process or is it required as a part of the financial aid process?  We have typically required that the Affidavit be completed and notarized as part of the admission process.  Your responses will be much appreciated.  Thanks so much!
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> STING 'EM!
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> Blessings and Best Wishes,
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> Cheryl Mangrum
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