<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi, everyone.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm forwarding some comments from Lani (thanks, Lani... And the typo on the "negate" has been fixed in my running draft, thanks everyone who caught that mistake that occurred in the editing process.)</div><div><br></div><div>Also, a note about the deadline: this was set by the admin, not me. It was in the original email that went out three weeks ago when Grady called us to meet, and again two weeks ago when he sent out the suggested workload credits that appear in this procedure. As one of the authors of the procedure, I agree it was a tight deadline...</div><div><br></div><div>It IS an unfortunate deadline, though, because even though it's been three weeks, the timing is bad. Not only is it directly after a national holiday, but it's a busy time of year. Many of us are just now wrapping up Summer I while others have been away from work and in many cases even out of the country. If we can get an extension for further discussion and to be able to vote on the procedure, that will be great, but if not, this is what we're working with so far... Sorry!</div><div><br></div><div>The university policy "requires" us to have a college-wide policy in place that we all live by. (Again, I didn't write that policy. It came out of the Faculty Senate and the Dean's Council, I believe.). That's why we're working on this college-wide procedure, and on such a tight deadline... If we don't want a college-wide policy, perhaps we should talk to the admin...</div><div><br></div><div>That said, I'd like to move the conversation forward a little. Grady has said that the policy is supposed to be a work from the faculty, and that it needs to be "ratified", so to speak, by the faculty. Therefore, I'm open to adding suggestions for altering the equivalencies as the faculty see as FAIR equivalencies based on the level of work required to perform each task.</div><div><br></div><div>I DO think that Dr. Dorsett and others have a point about it taking a LOT of students who are working on thesis, 595, Ind. Study, etc., to add up to 1 sch of release, much less a 3 hour course equivalency. In many cases, working with that many students would, indeed, reflect a lot more work than simply teaching a course. Therefore, I wonder what WOULD be fair? In my brain, I'm thinking much like Lani: any credit is better than no credit. However, it SHOULD reflect the amount of work involved in the research. Many of us spend a lot of time supervising GATs who are teaching courses or labs during a semester. Should it be equivalent to supervising a GAT during a semester? Should it hold MORE weight? Other suggestions? Thoughts? Ideas? Please let me know and we can run with them and see what everyone thinks.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, to answer your question, Lani, NTT faculty doing research would use the same form as TT faculty, as many of us do now. That was in one of the drafts, but I'll go back and make sure it doesn't get edited out of the final draft. Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>As Bob said, have a happy and safe Fourth of July, and I look forward to hearing from you!</div><div>Pamela.</div><div><br>Dr. Pamela S. Webster<div>Assistant Professor of Mathematics, Professional Track</div><div>Director of the Math Skills Center and</div><div>Coordinator of Developmental Mathematics</div><div>Binnion 315. 903-886-5950</div></div><div><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><b>From:</b> "Lani Lyman-Henley" <<a href="mailto:Lani.Lyman-Henley@tamuc.edu">Lani.Lyman-Henley@tamuc.edu</a>><br><b>Date:</b> July 4, 2013, 1:00:23 PM CDT<br><b>To:</b> "Pamela Webster" <<a href="mailto:Pamela.Webster@tamuc.edu">Pamela.Webster@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Grady P Blount" <<a href="mailto:Grady.Blount@tamuc.edu">Grady.Blount@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Lani Lyman-Henley" <<a href="mailto:dr_zot@yahoo.com">dr_zot@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> "Robert L Williams" <<a href="mailto:Bob.Williams@tamuc.edu">Bob.Williams@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Haydn Fox" <<a href="mailto:Haydn.Fox@tamuc.edu">Haydn.Fox@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Gregory Wilson" <<a href="mailto:Gregory.Wilson@tamuc.edu">Gregory.Wilson@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Delbert Horton" <<a href="mailto:Delbert.Horton@tamuc.edu">Delbert.Horton@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Aaron Cooper" <<a href="mailto:Aaron.Cooper@tamuc.edu">Aaron.Cooper@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Tingxiu Wang" <<a href="mailto:Tingxiu.Wang@tamuc.edu">Tingxiu.Wang@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Lindsey L Walton" <<a href="mailto:Lindsey.Walton@tamuc.edu">Lindsey.Walton@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Erin Fortenberry" <<a href="mailto:Erin.Fortenberry@tamuc.edu">Erin.Fortenberry@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Jackie Wahrmund" <<a href="mailto:Jackie.Wahrmund@tamuc.edu">Jackie.Wahrmund@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Brent Donham" <<a href="mailto:Brent.Donham@tamuc.edu">Brent.Donham@tamuc.edu</a>>, "Lani Lyman-Henley" <<a href="mailto:dr_zot@yahoo.com">dr_zot@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>RE: Minutes from CoSEA workload procedure meeting</b><br><br></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
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<p><font size="2">Quick note- I wasn't sure "reply all" to the latest posting was actually going to the correct audience, so went back to this group. If it was supposed to go elsewhere, please let me know, or feel free to forward. So here's my message: </font></p>
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<p><font size="2">The deadline is tomorrow, right? A shame, since it seems more discussion is wanted. </font>
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<p><font size="2">A couple of notes regarding document and comments: </font>
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<p><font size="2">First, we usually see students taking 518, 595, independent study and honors thesis credits in 3 hour blocks, so remember that in your calculations- .3 per undergrad per semester, .6 per masters student per semester, does add up a bit better than discussion would seem to indicate. BUT I do wonder about that still running less than supervising GATs teaching labs...which would seem to take less time and effort than that invested in student research. On the other hand, all of this is more than we were previously getting (which was *nothing*). </font></p>
<p><font size="2">Regarding number of courses taught- bio faculty expect 3 (or even 4) courses per semester unless requesting time towards research or other activities (which MIGHT argue you down to only 2 courses), not sure lamenting not making ends meet with a 2 4-hour course load will garner much sympathy from us. Just saying. ;) </font></p>
<p><font size="2">Agreed on the point that there are clearly differences in how specific departments handle some of these details, and that there should be language allowing departmental modifications to be considered. </font></p>
<p><font size="2">And another question- regarding the sample evaluation form for NTT faculty- if you are among those requesting time for research, is this supposed to be applied to the professional development section? Or do you use a different form? Or is that a completely different discussion? </font></p>
<p><font size="2">Oh, and "negated" is misspelled. :) </font>
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<br><font size="2">> Sent: Fri 6/21/2013 8:36 AM </font>
<br><font size="2">> To: Gregory Wilson; Delbert Horton; Aaron Cooper; Tingxiu Wang; Haydn Fox; Lindsey L Walton; Erin Fortenberry; Jackie Wahrmund; Pamela Webster; Lani Lyman-Henley; Brent Donham; Robert L Williams</font></p>
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<br><font size="2">> Cc: Ben Jang; Grady; Haydn Fox; Jim Heitholt; Kay Parrish; Kent Montgomery; Larry Lemanski; Matt Wood; Sang Suh </font>
<br><font size="2">> Subject: Minutes from CoSEA workload procedure meeting </font>
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<br><font size="2">> See attached minutes from yesterday's meeting on creating a CoSEA workload procedure. If there are changes needed, please advise me.</font></p>
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<br><font size="2">> My understanding is that Aaron Cooper and Pamela Webster are now in charge of this project. </font>
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