[CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
Adams, Peter D.
padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
Tue Apr 19 13:10:00 CDT 2011
Liz,
Sorry to be so slow in responding. My school's email system has been down for the past day and a half, so now I'm trying to get caught up.
I, too, find all this energized discussion very invigorating, and I thank you and our EB colleagues for trying to find just the right balance of offerings. The suggestion of an all-day CBW workshop with ALP included for a couple of hours would be fine with us. Including Bruce Horner will be great. And we ALP folks will be happy to make parts of our presentation more interactive.
Our original idea for a workshop was focused on issues involved in starting up an ALP program at schools who were considering such a course of action. That doesn't seem a good fit as part of your workshop, so what we'll do is an overview of ALP and reports on several studies we have conducted investigating how well the program works and why.
I haven't seen much discussion--although it may be in some email limbo where messages go when the server is down--of the featured session during the conference. At one time my name was mentioned as part of a panel to include, possibly, David Bartholomae, Lynn Troyka, Bruce Horner, and Mike Rose. Somehow my name seems a little out of place in such an illustrious group, and it would perhaps be piggish of me to ask to be included in the workshop and the featured session.
With that in mind, I suggest we go to work on contacting the others on the above list and inviting them to present on the featured panel. I think they'll do fine without me.
Peter
Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
Department of English
Essex Campus
Community College of Baltimore County
7201 Rossville Blvd
Baltimore, MD 21237
443•710•1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
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Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
Peter--how do you feel about this?
J. Elizabeth Clark, Ph.D.
Professor of English
LaGuardia Community College--CUNY
e-mail: lclark at lagcc.cuny.edu
Phone: 718.482.5665
www.jelizabethclark.com
>>> "Lalicker, William" 04/18/11 7:29 AM >>>
Liz, I like this structure very much. We have a broad theory+history
framework from Bruce Horner, then the excellent practices of ALP from
Peter Adams, and then our open-call invitation to new voices in BW. I
think this will be a very stimulating and productive workshop.
The one detail that came up in the EB meeting is that several
individuals thought we had, possibly, too many voices, without enough
time for reflection and discussion, in the open-call conference section,
so we may want to adjust the length of the talks and the q+a in that
last segment. Once we've got that settled, we can go to the whole list.
Happy Monday...
Bill
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William B. Lalicker, Ph.D.
Professor of English (Main Hall, Room 534, 610.436.2268)
Dean's Assistant for Student Issues (Anderson Hall, Room 119C,
610.436.3521)
College of Arts and Sciences
West Chester University
West Chester, PA 19383
wlalicker at wcupa.edu
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Clark
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 6:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
Hi Everyone,
I am so excited by all of this conversation & these ideas! I think we
are all still basking in the glow of the energy from CCCC.
I know that we had very definite ideas about the pre-conference session
at the EB meeting. What if we shift that to put all of this together:
The theme of the conference is "gateways"
What if we focused our preconference session on Basic Writing as an
essential gateway to college:
1. Bruce Horner, who Hannah and I invited to speak, would like to join
us if the timing works out. So:
1. Welcome
2. Opening Remarks on the year (updates, what we've done, maybe mission
statement, etc.)
3. Bruce Horner, framing issues in Basic Writing
4. Extended ALP panel (2 hours? 3 hours?) feature ALP as one
contemporary iteration of Basic Writing that provides a gateway.
LUNCH BREAK
5. Open panels by our open call (2 hours)
6. Smaller working group session (1 hour or so on
CBW/Mission/Charter/etc.)
That gives us 3 featured speaker slots: Bruce, ALP, and the open call
panelists plus some working time.
It's different from what we were planning. What do you think?
I don't want to take away from either ALP or CBW.
Thoughts?
J. Elizabeth Clark, Ph.D.
Professor of English
LaGuardia Community College--CUNY
e-mail: lclark at lagcc.cuny.edu
Phone: 718.482.5665
www.jelizabethclark.com
>>> Gregory R Glau 04/17/11 7:52 PM >>>
Hi, all,
I may have missed some of this conversation--that time of the
semester--but I tend to agree with Kathleen and others who've noted
that, somehow, a half-day workshop does not seem as "important" as a
full-day workshop, and I think that's true from the Cs' perspective as
well as those attending the workshop.
I also wonder if CBW did a half-day and Peter's group did a half day, if
they might end up competing with one another, as none of us has control
over morning or afternoon scheduling?
I also wonder if Peter's workshop could somehow be folded-into the CBW
workshop, as a special feature for the all-day workshop?
thanks,
gg
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Greg Glau
Associate Professor and Director, University Writing Program
Northern Arizona University
PO Box 6032
Flagstaff, AZ 86001-6032
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[padams2 at ccbcmd.edu]
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
So here's how this idea got started. The folks here and at several
other schools offering ALP wanted to propose a pre-conference workshop
on ALP. I wrote the co-chairs of CBW to ask whether having a second
one-day workshop on bw would be seen as a sign of the health of bw at
CCCC or might it, in fact, threaten that health by having two workshops
competing for the same attendees.
I offered that if competing for the same attendees seemed like a bad
idea, we could postpone our workshop for a year. Liz suggested that two
half-day workshops might be the best compromise, but thought we should
ask the EB. So we are.
Peter
Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
Department of English
Essex Campus
Community College of Baltimore County
7201 Rossville Blvd
Baltimore, MD 21237
443*710*1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
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Sent: Sun 4/17/2011 2:06 PM
To: Conference of Basic Writing Executive Board
Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
Thank you for the discussion on this issue. I would hate to see CBW go
to a half
day. This full- day preconference is the ONE chance that many folks
involved in
BW get to participate in the scholarship of our field. If we try to get
it all
in three hours, we just don't have the impact that a full day makes
possible.
The workshop sets up the conference for the 20-50 people who are able to
attend.
I also think that cutting it to a half day lessens the impact of the
Sense of
the House Motion. If we don't believe that BW warrants a full day, why
should it
be considered for featured sessions or its own strand?
Think of how many ideas we suggested for the precon. We basically had to
narrow
it to only two, and then choose from those. If we cut that time in half,
we are
necessitating the removal of half the content. And part of the draw is
the
workshop format, which is possible in part because of the length of time
we have.
ALP is a proven program, it will continue to have positive effects where
it is
implemented, and it should be one of the ideas supported by CBW. I think
it was
even part of the precon a couple of years ago. I just don't think we
should
halve what we offer for it or any other program, no matter how
promising.
While I see alternative points, I suggest that we continue with the
planned
full-day preconference. kb
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Bernstein
Date: Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:45 am
Subject: Re: [CBW_Exec] FW: Wednesday workshop question
To: Conference of Basic Writing Executive Board
> ALP definitely should have its own workshop. It is an important
> innovationthat deserves its own time slot and audience, and that
> fully complements the
> work of CBW.
>
> However, a full-day CBW workshop would have a different goal than the
> separate halves of an ALP or a CBW workshop. CBW helps to create new
> scholarship in the field -- and to foster a discussion on new
> scholarshipfor people just beginning and/or overworked and under-
> resourced in the
> field. In other words, CBW's full-day workshop serves
> teacher/scholars who
> otherwise would not have access to new scholarship or to the
> resources for
> creating new scholarship.
>
> But I also believe the $40 full-day workshop price keeps lots of
> folks away.
> Prompted by Barbara Gleason, we tried to initiate a conversation
> with CCCC
> about changing the price when Kathleen and I were chairs, but to no
> avail.
> SO: I would support a full day for CBW, but would agree to a 1/2
> day if
> that's the general consensus-- with one caveat. If we decide on a
> half day
> for St. Louis in 2012, we need to revisit doing a full-day again
> for Vegas
> in 2013.
>
> Best,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Kelly Ritter
> wrote:
> > I think this is a great idea, as it would also allow some in-out
> flow> regarding the BW crowd (some will do AM, some PM, for the
> ALP, some both)
> > and would open up participation for BW folks in other afternoon
> sessions,> like RNF or another workshop, if they were familiar with
> or not currently
> > interested in ALP.
> >
> > Kelly
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Shannon Carter <
> > Shannon_Carter at tamu-commerce.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ashley, Hannah [mailto:HAshley at wcupa.edu ]
> >> Sent: Sun 4/17/2011 10:22 AM
> >> To: cbw_exec-bounces at tamu-commerce.edu
> >> Subject: FW: Wednesday workshop question
> >>
> >> So, Exec Board--
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you think about the idea of doing a half-day Wednesday
> workshop>> from CBW in the morning, and requesting that it not
> compete with ALP which
> >> could do a workshop in the afternoon? Not that they'd be
> proposed as part
> >> of same workshop, but but explicitly asking they not conflict and
> >> acknowleding similar draws?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Feedback?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hannah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.
> >> Associate Professor of English, Composition & Rhetoric
> >> Director, Writing Zones 12.5 (
> >> www.writingzones.net)
> >> 543 Main Hall, West Chester University
> >> West Chester, PA 19383
> >> 610-436-2371
> >>
> >>
> >> "For years I pulled my own existence out of emptiness. Then one
> swoop, one
> >> swing of the arm, that work is over." Rumi
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Adams, Peter D. [padams2 at ccbcmd.edu]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:01 PM
> >> To: Ashley, Hannah
> >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> >>
> >>
> >> If that's okay with you two, it would be great for us. I do
> think it
> >> would be good to run it past the EB.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
> >> Department of English
> >> Essex Campus
> >> Community College of Baltimore County
> >> 7201 Rossville Blvd
> >> Baltimore, MD 21237
> >> 443.710.1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ashley, Hannah [mailto:HAshley at wcupa.edu ]
> >> Sent: Fri 4/15/2011 11:54 AM
> >> To: Adams, Peter D.; J. Elizabeth Clark
> >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> >>
> >> Yes, perhaps we should propose a half day each, if folks think a
> good>> idea. Send to EB?
> >>
> >> Hannah
> >>
> >> Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.
> >> Director, Writing Zones 12.5 (www.writingzones.net)
> >> Service Learning Faculty Associate, WCU
> >> Associate Professor of Composition and Rhetoric
> >> Main Hall 543
> >> Department of English, West Chester University
> >> Spring 2001 Office Hours: M, 2-4, W 2-3, F 11-12
> >>
> >> I was part of a generation of kids who saw something special
> about what it
> >> means to be human--something bloody and dramatic and scandalous
> that>> happened right here in America--and hip-hop was our way of
> reporting that
> >> story, telling it to ourselves and to the world...the story of
> the hustler
> >> was the story hip-hop was born to tell...hustling is the
> ultimate metaphor
> >> for the basic human struggles: the struggle to survive and
> resist...to win
> >> and make sense of it all. --from Jay-Z, Decoded (2010)
> >>
> >> From: Adams, Peter D. [mailto:padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
> ]>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:05 AM
> >> To: Ashley, Hannah; J. Elizabeth Clark
> >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> >>
> >>
> >> Liz makes an interesting suggestion. If we each did a half day
> workshop,>> we would be offering to basic writing workshops without
> competing for
> >> audience. A different way to compromise would be for us simply
> to postpone
> >> our idea a year, which we'd certainly be willing to do. Or, we
> could take
> >> the risk of offering both and letting those proverbial "chips"
> fall.>>
> >> Would you like to see what the EB says about the question?
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
> >> Department of English
> >> Essex Campus
> >> Community College of Baltimore County
> >> 7201 Rossville Blvd
> >> Baltimore, MD 21237
> >> 443*710*1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ashley, Hannah [mailto:HAshley at wcupa.edu ]
> >> Sent: Fri 4/15/2011 9:00 AM
> >> To: J. Elizabeth Clark; Adams, Peter D.
> >> Subject: RE: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> >>
> >> I agree, Peter, that if you feel like there is enough energy to
> do a
> >> workshop just devoted to ALP--do it and let the chips fall where
> they may.
> >>
> >> Hannah
> >>
> >> Hannah Ashley, Ph.D.
> >> Associate Professor of English, Composition & Rhetoric
> >> Director, Writing Zones 12.5 (www.writingzones.net)
> >> 543 Main Hall, West Chester University
> >> West Chester, PA 19383
> >> 610-436-2371
> >>
> >> "For years I pulled my own existence out of emptiness. Then one
> swoop, one
> >> swing of the arm, that work is over." Rumi
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: J. Elizabeth Clark [lclark at lagcc.cuny.edu]
> >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 8:24 AM
> >> To: padams2 at ccbcmd.edu; Ashley, Hannah
> >> Subject: Re: Workshops on BW at CCCC
> >>
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >>
> >> Hope you're well. I think it's definitely important for you to
> have an
> >> audience for ALP at CCCC. Is there someway we might join forces?
> For>> example, if you did an ALP workshop from 9-12 and then joined
> us from
> >> 1-4? Or, would that make your day too short? Just brainstorming
> here.>>
> >>
> >> Liz
> >>
> >> J. Elizabeth Clark, Ph.D.
> >> Professor of English
> >> LaGuardia Community College--CUNY
> >> e-mail: lclark at lagcc.cuny.edu
> >> Phone: 718.482.5665
> >> www.jelizabethclark.com
> >> >>> "Adams, Peter D." 04/15/11 12:25 AM >>>
> >> Hannah and Liz,
> >>
> >> As you know, at CCBC we have developed an accelerated approach
> to basic
> >> writing we call ALP, which has met with considerable success in
> >> improving students' success rates. More than twenty schools
> across the
> >> nation are now piloting some sections of ALP and many more are
> >> interested.
> >>
> >> My colleagues and I have been thinking about proposing a pre-
> conference>> workshop at CCCC on starting up ALP but we are worried
> about the effect
> >> that might have on the CBW workshop. On the one hand, it might
> be a
> >> sign of the healthiness of basic writing if there were two
> workshops,>> both on basic writing. In the other hand, we might
> end up splitting the
> >> audience and ending up with 15 or 20 at each session.
> >>
> >> So I thought I'd ask what you think. Would you view our
> offering such a
> >> workshop as a sign of the health of the field or as a
> competition that
> >> is unhealthy for both of us?
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> Peter Adams | Director of Accelerated Learning Program
> >> Department of English
> >> Essex Campus
> >> Community College of Baltimore County
> >> 7201 Rossville Blvd
> >> Baltimore, MD 21237
> >> 443*710*1852 | padams2 at ccbcmd.edu
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